egghelp/eggheads community

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2005-01-09T23:27:38-04:00

Well to be honest, especially this section is pretty useless *for me*. I mean people just write text and alot of it normally in every post, paragraphs... I don't have time to go on read and read, I just like the tcl and eggdrop help sections better.

To me, these sections are just discussions and arguments over shell providers and this is nothing related to as of help. Some people give recommendations of the providers they have used and their comments on their services etc.

I think this section is rarely used and only limited to most newbies as we old users know what is good through experience.

Statistics: Posted by awyeah — Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:27 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-12-31T03:56:28-04:00

stop bringing up old threads people...

Statistics: Posted by metroid — Fri Dec 31, 2004 3:56 am

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-12-30T15:57:22-04:00

I agree it should be restricted to help with shell accounts rather than a forum to voice oppinions on certain companys.

In my experience if you are civil and show a little restraint with companys they are much more willing to help you out.

Would you help someone if they just slated you in public? no I think not and its a topic that should be kept away from egghelp in my humble oppinion.

Statistics: Posted by ^DooM^ — Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:57 pm

should have look at this one yesterday....

2004-12-30T15:25:32-04:00

I agree that shell assistance postings and shell advertising/flaming/experience-with-provider postings should be kept separate.

Please move that blasted "issues with bcmhosting" thread over to other said furom when it's up.

Statistics: Posted by DragnLord — Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:25 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-25T09:52:21-04:00

well from past experiences if you allow the bickering back and forth continuously it gets old and rather fast to. There has to be some sort of limitation on how much b.s will be tolerated. To silence one group and not another is completely unethical in my opinion.

Anyone can get friends to backup any situation at any time in efforts to make people believe in a lie. We've probably all seen that. Gathering proof one way or another might be nothing more than selling a lie for truth. Thats why I think 1 post from each side. Just make the post count and there wont be any need to create a long winded debate over whos telling what truth etc... If a post is well writen and thought out it will reveal the truth on the first posting regardless what anyone comes up with to counter the posters thought / experience.

For someone to come out and bash someone for posting good reviews about a company is just immature, and probably doesnt even merrit a response from anyone with a higher understanding of what maturity is.

Statistics: Posted by rabb1d — Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:52 am

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-24T18:16:38-04:00

rabb1d read this, not so rare potential situation, please:

1 post. USER: Be careful that XXX shell provider is more down than up and they don't replay on my posts, they ignore me, they don't want to refound me money no matter that they wrote on their site that they will if customer won't be satisfyed...
2 post. SHELL PROVIDER: Don't trust him, he is liar and very very bad user... we run great server, and best support...
3 post. USER: Hundreds complains from all other users can't be lie... Here I have proof...

FORUM MODERATOR: "user" is banned from here because he don't have right to show proof and replay on accusation that he's a liar... and shell provider have right to have last word...

So, rabb1d is this really good idea? Need other example? What if things look something like:

1 post. rabb1d: I am really satisfyed with XXX server... because they are so great...
2 post USER: You're paid by shell provider to wrote how good service he have. Or even more - you are shell provider who use more nicks here... They suxxx.
1 post. rabb1d: That's not true. I am not shell provider and nobody didn`t bought me. You could found me on #xxx...@efnet where everyone know me and you will see that I dont lie. Simple join, know me better and you will see that I don't have the reason for lie...

FORUM MODERATOR: "rabb1d" is banned from here because he don't have right to show proof and replay on accusation that he's a liar...

Btw. rabb1d don't understand me wrong, I dont have nothing against you I just wanna show you why "ban on second post" maybe isn't that good idea as you thought.

Statistics: Posted by }eXtreme{ — Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:16 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-23T22:10:55-04:00

there is also a forum called shellhostingtalk
www.shellhostingtalk.com

If people are to post bad things about providers anywhere for what ever reason I think there should be two posts and thats it. The complaint, and the defense and that should be enough to lock the thread. One statement from each side. If it is continued over into another or a new thread, then both people should be banned for 30 days on first occurance 90 days second 120 third and perm after that. Just my opinion though. Where there is silly haggling that method would prevent a lot of unwanted b.s.

just my $0.02 worth

Statistics: Posted by rabb1d — Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:10 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-23T06:25:43-04:00

I believe that every constructive oposition is always good thing to make things even better. And don't understand me wrong. I like those sites and that discussion forum which is really good work and it helps to many many people. But what would life be if everyone agree about everything. People don't have same opinion and some criticism could be good for improvements if you could take it.

Statistics: Posted by }eXtreme{ — Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:25 am

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-22T16:10:45-04:00

I'm sure many of us have seen the scenario played out on other forums: admin thinks things are becoming a bit too rowdy and imposes new restrictions, some users applaud while others cry "freedom of speech". I don't want to thrash out all the issues, otherwise I won't get time to update the Tcl Archive But the crux of it is that, while you can get away with quite a bit and a "spirit" of freedom of speech does exist on most forums, underlying this is the fact that participation in pretty much every forum is not a right, but a privilege. As an ordinary user participating in several other forums, this is a fact I occasionally have had to wrestle with over the years, and I'm sure others have. There's Moonster's forum if you don't think this one gets the balance right; if only he'd give us the URL

Statistics: Posted by slennox — Fri Oct 22, 2004 4:10 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-22T00:04:20-04:00

caesar: I pharaphrased (and I know that it sound funny on certain way but you probably get my point)
egghead: You are right in a certain way
All: I need to fill that damn quote so I wrote "nonsense" ;-) or maybe not?

Statistics: Posted by }eXtreme{ — Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:04 am

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-21T22:17:25-04:00

But from other side...

[snip]

}eXtreme{

Hi eXtreme. You are right in a certain way. But the point is that often when a shell user complains, suddenly a dozen of "shell customers" join the board to post how good the shell is etc. etc.

Over the years I have seen quite a few shell forums coming and going. The best ones are those that are carefully moderated with the garbadge being dumped in the trashcan

Statistics: Posted by egghead — Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:17 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-21T15:51:01-04:00

Against "freedom of speech" huh? Be serious.

Statistics: Posted by caesar — Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:51 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-21T12:32:49-04:00

But from other side...

And increasingly, this forum seems to be becoming a place for providers and their customers to air their dirty laundry

Writing about bad or good experiences about something for what we pay isn't just stupid dirty laundry. They are still experiences which we share with other and it might be helful to someone in future. And constructive criticsm could force kids to make better service. It's not all in picking our money only...

It's settled then ... It'll be available to halfops (40 posts) and above.

So number of released posts will give us right to "talk" in public about BSP.. and all other with less than 40 posts will be "second class citizens".

Do you realize that you all talking here about restriction which is against "freedom of speech" spirit - since this is public forum, or atleast I understand it that way. Is this really best solution? Constructive moderating forum with deleting/editing posts which contain insults, advertize etc.. is more "user friendly" solution I think. It's not hard to fill that "40 posts" quote for someone but on the other side some people write only when they have something to say or have time and this maybe isn't their primary life occupation.

Sure that there around are advertizers or non-happy customers but I also heard somewhere something like "it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be convicted" (or restricted?)

I know that this probably wont change nothing - it's already decided - but I posted this since that moment I still have chance...

... and of course you all went through that restriction quote long time ago ;-)

}eXtreme{

Statistics: Posted by }eXtreme{ — Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:32 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-20T19:18:44-04:00

It doesnt require a Mod .....

You can do permissions settings on a private forum for specific user classifications

Statistics: Posted by Moonster — Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:18 pm

Restrict forum to discussion of shell account usage?

2004-10-20T11:40:56-04:00

It's settled then. Looks like it requires a phpbb mod, so I'll create the separate forum on the weekend. It'll be available to halfops (40 posts) and above.

egghead, I agree that the existing shells forum will become pretty quiet, but in the end I think quality is more important than quantity

Statistics: Posted by slennox — Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:40 am