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BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-10-13T13:22:40-04:00

hello blackshadow

hw can i exempt the bot from deop certain Ops who r idling plz ?

To see the options type !idle and to add a to except type !idle add | idle add .

Statistics: Posted by BLaCkShaDoW — Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:22 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-10-13T13:14:32-04:00

hello blackshadow

hw can i exempt the bot from deop certain Ops who r idling plz ?

Statistics: Posted by Behemoth — Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:14 pm

BlackTools 2.3

2011-01-01T19:09:32-04:00

BlackTools 2.3 is now available. Now having a language module wich alows users to set their default language (like chanserv). Available languages :RO / EN. And of course other stuff added .

For Download follow this link : http://BlackTools.TclScripts.Net

Statistics: Posted by BLaCkShaDoW — Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:14 am

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-08T21:15:51-04:00

Oldest copy of BlackTools I have is 1.8, and the "edu" array is pervasive in that. If it's not simply coincidence, it looks like BLaCkShaDoW may have started off one day copying a few snippets that used "edu" as the array name, and just stuck everything in that array as the script developed. The inconsistent indenting throughout the script does suggest it was created in a bit of a copy-and-paste manner.

So it looks a bit suss, but so far I haven't seen evidence there's significant portions of ripped code, just the suggestion that the array name implies there may be.

Statistics: Posted by slennox — Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:15 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-08T04:12:49-04:00

Guys please stop arguing on the forum and contact Slennox to remove the script from the TCL Archive (if it's listed there).

I've been twice in the same situation like you are now edu, just ignore him and mind your own business.

Birds will peck and pigs will search in your work garbage. Call them critics and let them alone. (or something like this anyway

Statistics: Posted by caesar — Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:12 am

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-07T16:53:04-04:00

@nml375, I didn't mean for you to literally compare the two scripts closely. The only thing needing to be seen is that edu uses the edu(array) within his scripts. He has done this for quite a while, some of the posts were from 2007. This predates the existence of the "blacktools" script. Therefore, the reason for the edu(array) to be found within the "blacktools" script is a telltale sign. That sign is that he is using some of edu's code and concept within his script. To not credit the guy in any fashionable way and to go so far as to try to disguise that fact by reuploading scripts to make edu look like a liar. To me that is something children do. As Ricky Ricardo would say, "Lucy! You got some 'splaining to do!"

Statistics: Posted by speechles — Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:53 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-07T15:36:16-04:00

take a look here: http://forum.botlending.com/threads/158 ... -3-comenzi

putlog "Alltools Tcl BLaCkShaDoW Loaded "

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Statistics: Posted by edu — Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:36 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-07T15:28:50-04:00

here's the solution..

blackshadow should upload all the versions of his script, from v.1 to this one (dont try to modify all them, it's a waste of time, trust me, I can find 'em by my own from some friends, but will take more time) and you will SEE who's left and who is right...

but, as you can see, blackshadow doesnt give a @!#& about our little discussion here

Statistics: Posted by edu — Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:28 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-07T15:17:11-04:00

speechles:
First link (...?p=72710): I cannot see a striking similarity of the invite-mechanisms in bt v2.2 or the linked bt v1.9.

Second link (...?p=13580): I cannot find any nmap-operations what so ever in neither btv2.2 or bt v1.9.

Third link (...?p=13011): I cannot find such specific mechanism in either btv2.2 or bt v1.9.

Fourth link (...?p=13406): This post contains no actual code at all. Simply using the setuser and delhost commands could hardly be considered an infringement.

Fifth link (botlending.../1214): This is a very basic "ban command" script. It does feature a nice trick to support the same d2h5m3 syntax for bantime available in the native .+ban command in the dcc partyline. This trick is not implemented in either bt v2.2 or bt v1.9 - both these do, however, provide extended mechanisms to prevent "unwanted" banning. Yes, it uses a global array named "edu", but the array indexes don't match.

Sixth link (botlending.../1205): The only similarity I can see here, is the use of $edu(drtime). At best, the suggestions from caesar could be found in the code, though it's a fraction of the code in bt v1.9. They do both support banning through X, though the decision on whether to use X or not is not similar.

With all this I am not saying the code has been stolen or not. Most of the linked posts do contain rather short pieces of code, that can only be functional in a limited set of ways. In these cases, unless the code is a straight-off copy (possibly with changed variable names), it is very hard to argue a "ripoff". In the case of nmap, I can't even find any references to nmap in "blackshadow's" scripts.

speechles, though your intentions are good, those links do little to strengthen edu's case. The case of the nmap could actually hurt it. In these cases, please do explain what you think is stolen, and how.

edu:
The spirit of this website and forum is to help people develop their skills in coding, by providing answers to questions, suggestions for improvements, directions to materials worth reading, examples in code and comments, and the opportunity for people to provide solutions to other's problems. Many visitors here are not scripters, which is why there is a "Script Support & Releases" forum for developers and users to communicate bugs, issues, and releases. There is also a "Script Request" forum for those non-scripters that have not found an already-written script that fulfills their demands, which also gives aspiring scripters the opportunity to get new challenges to test their skills on.

As I've said earlier, we do take copyright infringements very seriously. That is also why you should argue your case, and not simply lash out an accusation with no information to back it up.
Sofar you have only stated that he used to use 'edu' as the name of the array containing most/all settings, but now altered it to 'black'. This does raise some questions, yet there are many plausible explanations for this that would not involve stealing your code.

/NML_375
Moderator @ egghelp.org Forum

Statistics: Posted by nml375 — Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:17 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-07T04:59:42-04:00

the thing is that i dont care much about it, i didnt care at all at the begining, but when i saw that he ''RELEASED'' the .tcl and made ''HIS'' own website for help/download/suggestions/questions/etc.. regarding a .tcl that was made by me (if you watch older versions you can see that there are only edu(arrary) in it)..

another thing.. why this forum was made ? to post and be helped, not to GET other POSTS and RELEASE your own SCRIPT, that ISNT yours!!!

this is the lammest thing i ever seen!!!

Statistics: Posted by edu — Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:59 am

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-06T22:26:16-04:00

@nml375, after you read the following url's you will come to the same conclusion I have I'm sure...
http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?p=72710
http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=13580
http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=13011
http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=13406
http://forum.botlending.com/threads/1214
http://forum.botlending.com/threads/1205

Upon checking these, it appears edu has a collection of routines which are functions blacktools uses. Also appears the variable names do stay the same when all of these are combined into a "blacktools" script rather than left as stand alone snippets. He simply renames "edu(" to "black(" and thinks nobody is the wiser. I'm guessing this is what is pissing edu off. edu went through the trouble years ago asking these questions, and creating these threads which blackshadow is feeding from and not giving any mention of. This is where the problem comes from. The lack of credit and mention creates a rift, rather than the usual collaborative effort that stems from such an endeavor.

@edu, I even participated in your threads and tried to help you. So in a way, it angers me as well that someone would go so far as to simply "wad" up your work into a single-unit and call it their own...

Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:26 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-06T21:05:11-04:00

speechles: That is good investigation. As for actions, a first step would be to let blackshadow share his/her point of view. The final word, in the context of *.egghelp.org, would be slennox' with the support of us Moderators.
In the wider context, it would be a matter of a legal process.

In either case, the plaintiff holder has the responsibility to prove that the work in question is a derivative of a work the plaintiff has the copyright, and that the defendant had no right to re-use that work.

In this case, this would be a possible copyright infringement of a work by "Norules", assuming "blackshadow" has not gained the permission to re-use that code in his work. Such a permission would not necessarily include a required "credit-line". Unless "Norules" speaks up, there is no claim that this piece of code was stolen.

edu: As I've already asked, please provide information on what code "blackshadow" has stolen from you. The use of a single global variable name makes for a very poor claim of copyright infringement. If you'd like to claim that you are in fact the author "Norules" in the post linked by "speechles", please say so.

/NML_375

Statistics: Posted by nml375 — Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:05 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-06T20:34:48-04:00

so...

I AM RIGHT! ...

PS: thanks for a support, speechles

Last Edit: I hope an admin of this forum-site will take some decisions about

Statistics: Posted by edu — Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:34 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-06T19:19:26-04:00

http://ja.pastebin.ca/870060
found this at the bottom:

putlog "Alltools Tcl by Norules {modified by BLaCkShaDoW } Loaded "

In the newest version found this:

putlog "BlackTools version $vers (English Version) by $Autor (ALL Rights Reserved)"

The original author or concept creator should _ALWAYS_ be mentioned. Blackshadow has not done this in his latest script which does indeed make it appear like theft. Clearly his newest script evolved from that old script, so why not thank the original concept creator/author for the idea? It would avoid situations like this from occuring.

Also, nml375 wouldn't make a very good bloodhound, but then he never claimed to be. With my research I've uncovered that within blacktools.tcl it verifies edu's claim. This script is indeed sourced from the pastebin'd script shown above. From (2.2)blacktools.tcl or (1.9)This copy found through Google
NOTE: The 2.2 copy I have to host this file myself now, blackshadow has changed the source of his version to now use black(array) instead of edu(array) which erases all proof of his theft. Realize I did not tamper with this file, this is why a mirror obtained through Google is provided. Confirms that edu is not making this up and there is quite a basis for his claim. This is likely why blackshadow hasn't made any comment and instead rushed to change his scripts to hide this fact. The copy at the url above and copy below were originally downloaded from http://www.tclscripts.net/scripts/Black ... kTools.tcl last night. That file has since been changed, overnight, meaning edu is correct. nml375, in this case, what is the correct thing to do? 50 lashes with cat-o-nine tails? An apology, and proper credit given to concept creator/author?

Code:

set edu(nreason) "Your nick is considered to be a bad one , change it and rejoin !"set edu(ntime) "10"set edu(nxtime) "1"set edu(nxlevel) "100"... several dozen/hundred more similarly named vars within the same edu(array) continue...

That being said, this script is a mess of improper lists vs strings and unbraced expr's. Unindented and quite harsh on the eyes, any serious eggdrop user would already avoid this like the plague.

Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:19 pm

BlackTools TCL (Version 2.3)

2010-06-06T19:00:19-04:00

The name(s) of variables are seldom the best way to argue a copyright infringement, mainly as it's not a hard task to alter them like you said. That said, The v2.2 copy I downloaded roughly 2 minutes after your previous post had no "edu" variables either.

To the point; you ask us to compare the code - but with what? I'm not inclined to dig through the whole forum + script archive here in a "needle in a haystack" search.
What pieces of code has been stolen, where were they posted?

Now don't take this the wrong way, we do take claims of copyright infringements very seriously. You do, however, have to argue your case better than this.

/NML_375

Statistics: Posted by nml375 — Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:00 pm