Statistics: Posted by TCL_no_TK — Mon May 26, 2008 3:48 am
Statistics: Posted by DragnLord — Mon May 26, 2008 12:37 am
True, they are like fleas. They just hop onto another dog and infest it. Perhaps using the +s or +p flags to conceal your channel from the general public can be helpful. Then you don't need to have 14 shotguns near your front door, and 2 pitbulls inside (you are killing innocent people as well as offenders, this will decimate your channel eventually). If they can't see your house numbers from the street, they can only find you by chance...Killing off a flood-bot from a single server just results in the drone connecting to another server. Having a way to maintain and protect your channel isn't vigilante justice. It's more like equipping your home with a locked doors and windows, a security alarm, a guard dog, etc..
It is time to question why this isn't provided (shared load proxy checks). I'm quite aware irc servers do not generate revenue, yet are a constant drain, supported by archaic institutions and paid for in most part by private parties or government funding. This is where you notice the privately funded servers rising above and providing this level of service. The publicly funded are sorely lacking and I can only assume laziness is the reason, sadly.Sure, in an ideal world, the networks would capture everything prior to an abusive client connecting, however, just as such a script would drain resources on your shells, it drains resources on a machine running the irc server.
Hmm.. without revealing what those channels were, a few sure were, but some were not as well. The migration will adress expired channels, where the oldname is taken by another group already existing on the network. This is where you form a committee of those who will oversee the move, set up the scripts, etc.. But for the vast majority of arrogant channel heads collaboration is not in their best interest, they are in direct competition with each other. This is not right minded thinking, I prefer to think of the network as a family. And each channel brothers and sisters to their mother network.This type of collaboration sounds like it is between similar minded channels (do I sense the "w to the z" word involved? hrm?). Collaborating such a migration between a broad spectrum of channels involving different subjects of socializing is highly unlikely to work, given that not everyone knows everyone, and people are by nature are more likely to brush strangers off. Also where this fails is migrating to another known network, where the channels that are moving are already taken. Sure you could move to an obscure network, but then you lose the ability to make your channel available to a larger audience such as those that use the popular networks.
Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun May 25, 2008 4:15 pm
Sure, in an ideal world, the networks would capture everything prior to an abusive client connecting, however, just as such a script would drain resources on your shells, it drains resources on a machine running the irc server.I personally find running scripts of this sort as a drain on resources and the wrong person playing god. God should be played by the network/ircops, not by mere users/bots...
This type of collaboration sounds like it is between similar minded channels (do I sense the "w to the z" word involved? hrm?). Collaborating such a migration between a broad spectrum of channels involving different subjects of socializing is highly unlikely to work, given that not everyone knows everyone, and people are by nature are more likely to brush strangers off. Also where this fails is migrating to another known network, where the channels that are moving are already taken. Sure you could move to an obscure network, but then you lose the ability to make your channel available to a larger audience such as those that use the popular networks.Migrating involves collaboration. Channel heads should talk to each other to discuss the impact these drone/spam bots have on their channel. Eventually migration will be mentioned and a date can be set, and bots can be set up to keep topics with new server infos/channels, and then the migration on the date you pick happens automatically without user intervention. This would be easily scriptable....in fact, wait, it already was back when we migrated 2 dozen channels from newnet all at the same instant..Even had a relay.tcl within the bots still on the old network to any stragglers who chose to stay behind could still chat with us (albeit without the dcc features of chat/get/send).
Statistics: Posted by strikelight — Sun May 25, 2008 3:46 pm
Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun May 25, 2008 3:19 pm
efnet and undernet scan for proxies... your rebuttal falls flat.Yea, that's really practical, leaving an established base of socializing and going to an obscure network where nobody else will follow isn't exactly a solution. Most popular networks suffer from this scenario, be it EFnet, Undernet, etc..Don't use these types of networks, they are obviously white listed spammer contact networks and this is why the network admins do not enforce a proxy scan. It's them spamming you.. *shrug* Leave that network, it's simple, find another who openly embrace your channel and it's users. This happens every day.
Statistics: Posted by strikelight — Sun May 25, 2008 3:03 pm
Yea, that's really practical, leaving an established base of socializing and going to an obscure network where nobody else will follow isn't exactly a solution. Most popular networks suffer from this scenario, be it EFnet, Undernet, etc..Don't use these types of networks, they are obviously white listed spammer contact networks and this is why the network admins do not enforce a proxy scan. It's them spamming you.. *shrug* Leave that network, it's simple, find another who openly embrace your channel and it's users. This happens every day.Not all networks/servers scan known proxy ports, hence the existance of proxy flood-nets.
Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun May 25, 2008 2:59 pm
Statistics: Posted by strikelight — Sun May 25, 2008 2:57 pm
Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun May 25, 2008 2:57 pm
Don't use these types of networks, they are obviously white listed spammer contact networks and this is why the network admins do not enforce a proxy scan. It's them spamming you.. *shrug* Leave that network, it's simple, find another who openly embrace your channel and it's users. This happens every day.Not all networks/servers scan known proxy ports, hence the existance of proxy flood-nets.
Statistics: Posted by strikelight — Sun May 25, 2008 2:55 pm
Statistics: Posted by speechles — Sun May 25, 2008 2:52 pm
Is this something you will possibly use to hack people, but you propose here in a non malicious manner? Ya know, it could be used for good as well as evil. As well what I don't understand is the need to protect your channel this way. Your network does this. To have a bot enforce this type of policy will decimate your channel. You are playing god in the wrong way... see my post above...i dont understand you. I mean when proxies join, like mass join, then in my private channel, i type !port nick or !port ip and then the bot checks the ip and tells me, that user has for example 34528 por opened, then i can ban that port with another bot if its a custom proxy port. just that.
Statistics: Posted by strikelight — Sun May 25, 2008 2:49 pm